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Later Guys

Post by Zebra62 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:51 am

My nine year old today decided to do something extremely stupid and took a live shotgun shell to school to show off to his friends. He snuck my keys off the keyhook in the front room, unlocked my bedroom door, unlocked the closet where our firearms are stored, took one shell out, closed and locked the closet door, closed and locked the bedroom door and hung my keys back on the correct hook. He dropped the shell in his backpack and headed off to school. He kept the shell hidden all day long until he got on the bus to come home and showed it to none other than the bus driver. The driver called the Principal and I get a call at work.

The Principal describes the shell to me - a red Federal 2 3/4 00 - and I knew where it came from. My son plucked it off a bandolier which only had 10 of that particular shell. The Principal told me he would ask around the school and collect facts on his end and I told him I would do the same on my end. There has yet to be any discussion on my son's punishment. That will happen tomorrow.

I call my wife and inform her of our son's transgretions and she goes completely outer limits. She said it was all my fault, that she never wanted guns in the house to start with, I should have been more careful and MANY other things too relate.

The one thing that she said that cut me to the bone was that I needed to get rid of our guns. This comes from the woman who has been training with me to protect our family. Huge arguement ensues - the one thing we have not ever done in the 15 years we have been together. WE FOUGHT. The worst part about it is there is no winner. If I stand fast and keep the guns, she will feel hurt and it will be my fault. If I get rid of the guns, I will feel hurt and it will be her fault. No win. Only loss.

Without further ranting, I wish everyone all the best.

Train hard.

Shoot straight.

Farewell.


A small p.s. for Vitaly or Synchronizer...I looked around trying to find a link to deactivate my account, but I am unable to fund it. If you would be so kind to deactivate it for me, I would be most appreciative.
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Re: Later Guys

Post by Synchronizor » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:13 am

Sorry to hear about the incident and its fallout. Definitely not the kind of thing that should be brushed aside or taken lightly, but hopefully emotions will settle down some and y'all can come to a more agreeable consensus about what should be done.

Are you sure you want to delete your profile entirely? You can stay registered in case things change, and you'll have no obligation to remain active in the meantime. If nothing else, it'd be nice to keep your posts; you've made a lot of helpful contributions over the last year.

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Re: Later Guys

Post by Vitaly » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:11 pm

Zebra62, really sorry to hear about this. I hope that everything will be ok. I understand the emotions of your wife but I hope that she will cool down after some time.

My wife is accepting my hobby and guns in our home only because she knows how much they mean for me. But I am sure that she would love to see me getting rid of them :)

I hope that everything will be fine. Guns protect our homes.

Are you sure you want to deactivate your account? You can just come back when everything will settle down. I really hope to see you back soon!
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Re: Later Guys

Post by Zebra62 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:36 am

Looking back at the events of the past few days I can only shake my head and wonder who I pissed off to deserve so much drama in my life. I am just a normal guy trying to make a living and raise a family. It is supposed to be easy, but the fallout from this is still falling.

The school Principal was a standup guy and only gave my son In School Detention and did not involve the Police. The detention was accomplished without incident and my son is free and clear as far as the school is concerned. That was the simple part of this incident.

My wife and I did both calm down and came up a better solution than getting rid of the guns. We decided (SHE decided) we would take everything out to my Mom's house until such time we could afford a suitable safe. Seemed like a good idea, so I agreed to it. She would still keep her .380 locked in her little safe under the bed and I would keep my Mossy Cruiser for back and forth to job sights. Everything else would go out to Mom's. We made our plans to ferry the guns out for this past weekend, but never got the chance.

0700 Saturday morning brought a heavy handed knock on the front door delivered by the hand of the Police. They were there escorting a CPS agent and providing her security.I was informed in no uncertain terms that if I did not voluntarily allow her access to my home, I would be arrested for obstruction of justice. So in they come. CPS then proceeds to tell me I have until Monday (this morning) at 0800 to get a safe and secure ALL the weapons. I told her I didn't have the money to buy a safe and we had already made plans to take the guns out to the country. She said that wouldn't do because I could go get them any time I wanted. "Get a safe or I take your children from you." was her bullet statement. Not even an option for getting rid of the weapons (which I am immensely happy of).

The second thing she proceeds to tell me is that My son and I must complete a weapons safety course for children. We went through one this past summer offered by one of our local gun shops and I should her the certificate. She said it wasn't valid because the Police didn't run the class. She did provide information on an upcoming class next Saturday which wold only cost me $100.00 to pay for the instructor's time as he was volunteering on his day off to conduct the class. I told her I was scheduled to work this coming Saturday and I really didn't have the money to attend the class. "You will attend the class or I will take your children from you."

Can you see a pattern forming here?

Next thing we have to do is do 16 hours of voluntary community service each for my Son and me at the same safety class for the following two Saturdays. I didn't give her the chance to offer her ultimatum. "I have to do this or you take my children away from me, right?" The bitch just smiled.

Hoop number four I have to jump through is to schedule our son with a psychiatrist once a week over the next ten weeks. Lucky part about this is the Family Practice clinic we go to has a Psychiatrist on staff and my insurance co-pay will apply. It does suck that I have to take my kid to a shrink to make sure he isn't a psychpath or megalomaniac. I already know he's crazy. He is my kid after all. The same threat followed - "Do this or I take your children from you."

I signed several documents, she gave me copies, and she left. The cop stayed around a few minutes longer to give me a little more advice. Do not take any action against her. Blah blah blah. I basically told him I didn't want to have anything to do with her with my exact words being "I wouldn't waste my time to piss on her if she were on fire and I was her last chance to live." He did finally depart, leaving us to our selves to ponder our fates.

We did manage to scrape together enough cash to purchase a safe frome Lowes. Not a grand safe, but sufficient. CPS bitch did come and go again this morning after inspecting it would do what she wanted it to do. She did bitch about the fact it isn't bolted down saying it could fall over on the children. I tried to explain why it wasn't yet, but it fell on deaf ears. I relented and laid it down on the floor. All I got from her was "I suppose that will have to do for now."

I still don't know how CPS got involved, but I will find out.

SO, now I have a safe for all my guns. I will post a few pics and a review somewhere and hopefully not be as synical in my wording.

Thanks for letting me rant and double thanks to Vitali and Synchronizer for not deleting me. That would have been bad.
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Re: Later Guys

Post by Synchronizor » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:42 pm

Wow, that CPS fiasco is some BS. Lay the safe down so it doesn't fall over on the kids? Do you also need to nail the toilet lid shut so they don't drown themselves? Or duct-tape mittens on their hands so they don't stick their fingers in their eyes? Did she make sure you hung your toilet paper in the right direction, too?

That mess aside, I'm glad to hear that things have calmed down with your family. If nothing else, this sounds like it'll be a pretty heavily reinforced lesson to your kids that firearms are not there to show off and impress friends. There are certainly worse ways to have that concept driven home.

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Re: Later Guys

Post by Zebra62 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:18 pm

Synchronizor wrote: That mess aside, I'm glad to hear that things have calmed down with your family. If nothing else, this sounds like it'll be a pretty heavily reinforced lesson to your kids that firearms are not there to show off and impress friends. There are certainly worse ways to have that concept driven home.
True that. Now that I am going through this myself, I am hearing stories of some of the other stuff kids have done. I was talking with an oil field hand a couple days ago who went through something similar. He and teenage his son do western three gun and his son does custom leather work. His son had told his shop teacher about a holster he was very proud of and the teacher asked him to bring it in to show the class. Another teacher got wind of it and it snowballed out of control. It was just a holster, but it was for a gun, and still against the rules. The shop teacher was terminated for making the suggestion.

Today is our first appointment with the shrink, so we will see how that goes. I am ready for this to be over with.
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Re: Later Guys

Post by badboybeeson » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:08 pm

sell some of the guns and buy a safe, lesson learned, deal wit hit and move on.

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Re: Later Guys

Post by Synchronizor » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:01 pm

Zebra62 wrote:He and teenage his son do western three gun and his son does custom leather work. His son had told his shop teacher about a holster he was very proud of and the teacher asked him to bring it in to show the class. Another teacher got wind of it and it snowballed out of control. It was just a holster, but it was for a gun, and still against the rules. The shop teacher was terminated for making the suggestion.
So a teacher wants to recognize the skill of a student and try to inspire others, and gets sacked for his trouble? Not even for having the kid bring his leatherwork in, but for just suggesting it? I do understand that not all locales are like the small Alaska town I grew up in (which is why I don't agree with the universal "constitutional carry" concept), but that's just insane. Sadly though, I don't have trouble believing it. I had one kid tell me about getting hauled to the principal's office for a lecture and a psychiatric evaluation for drawing a picture of a gun in class. What kind of person actually thinks that that level of paranoia is going to have any positive effect on the kids?

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Re: Later Guys

Post by Vitaly » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:09 pm

Zebra62, not happy hearing about additional trouble but glad that everything calmed down. Glad to hear that you are staying with us.
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Re: Later Guys

Post by Zebra62 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:53 am

Visit with the shrink came and went today without incident. I spoke with the Doc for a few minutes afterword and he agrees with The Prinsipal and me that my son was just over curious and made a bad decision but we still have to comply with CPS rules. Only nine more visits to go.

Found out the Doc is an avid dove hunter and shoots skeet on the weekends at the same club I shoot at. Don't tell anyone, but he shoots a Barretta.
badboybeeson wrote:sell some of the guns and buy a safe, lesson learned, deal wit hit and move on.
Not selling any guns. Got the safe. Still learning the lesson. Moving on as best I can. I am just venting my frustration here where I hope people will understand that frustration. I can't very well go bitch at my wife about it. She is the one who suggested I get rid of them all in the first place. She did relent her position.
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